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amaroK lyrics plugin

I noticed a comment at the lyriki amaroK plugin page:

Title: "Great Heart"
Artist: "Johnny Clegg & Savuka"

In this case, a lyrics page for Johnny_Clegg:Great_Heart exists and also an artist page for Johnny_Clegg.
But if the artist tag says "Johnny Clegg & Savuka", not the lyrics are returned, but the artist page.

I don't know if you've fixed this or not, but if you haven't, it's probably because you aren't urlencodeing the page name. Since & is a reserved symbol in URLs everything after it will basically be truncated since it expects more parameters. --MindlessXD 14:19, 16 May 2006 (PDT)

Well, there are a few thing to 'review' in that script. I have already fixed some of them, will check this one for the next release too (which will be soon).
Changing the subject... do we have a page for scripts and things alike? (if not, maybe we should). I've been working on amaBot for awhile and after fixing some things I'd like to release it to the general public. Is it possible to upload files to the site (other than pictures)? --Attendant 22:19, 17 May 2006 (PDT)
Lyriki - The Lyrics Wiki:Software (and it's talk page) is where all the scripts are so far. I don't think non-media files can be uploaded, unforunately. --MindlessXD 16:20, 18 May 2006 (PDT)

re: capitalization

ooops, looks like they slipped past my editting, sorry about that. --Ahoier 11:45, 24 June 2006 (PDT)

oh wow, I think I've made this mistake on other lyric pages too; where there are more than 2 albums, that contain the same lyrics. Is there any easy way of going back and figuring out which ones? so only 1 lyric tag per page. I'll keep that in mind. I think we just need another/new/modified template for lyrics/tracks that appear on multiple albums, to make this all easier.--ahoier 07:24, 25 June 2006 (PDT)
i figured what i meant. before when i was using the 2 lyric tags, I was using br tags to line break between the different versions of the song. But now using just one lyric tag that shouldn't be a problem anyhow, since the breaks are preserved within those lyric tags anyhow. I guess I was just making more work for myself :P--ahoier 18:01, 25 June 2006 (PDT)

Feature Suggestions for Lyriki.rb

  1. Have Lyriki.rb open up the submit dialog if no lyrics are found whatsoever.
  2. Have a command-line switch to force GTK, Tcl/TK, or QT bindings.
  3. Maybe pop up the dialog first thing and report as it scans. 'Searching Lyriki ... Not Found'. This is actually a half-request, cause there's no real intent to support Lyriki on windows, but the methods for calling Lyriki on windows generate no feedback as to whether it's working and just not finding anything, or failing outright.
  4. If the song is found on lyriki, and marked as AutoGenerated, pop up the edit dialog instead of just scraping the lyrics, perhaps an option for this on the command line, maybe even just make it toggle so that it always opens the editable dialog instead of ever showing the lyric plain window.
  5. An option not to show the plain lyric window after submitting lyrics.

Any/All the above would be greatly appreciated if you get the time :)

--Nanenj 12:42, 7 October 2006 (PDT)

  1. Can be done
  2. Trivial to implement (though I don't see why it's necessary)
  3. Don't expect this for now...
  4. Almost done
  5. Known bug I haven't fix yet (will do someday)
--Attendant 11:13, 8 October 2006 (PDT)
Good deal, 2 is mainly a debugging thing. When I installed GTK, at first the script was entirely broken. It took me a bit of testing to get it working again, but, without removing GTK, I couldn't test if the Tcl bindings still worked ^^; Also, I'm not sure how fussy other people are, but, some may like one interface better than another, or such silliness :P (I know the GTK UI looks a billion times better than the Tcl/Tk UI :P). Thanks for all the work you've put into it :) --Nanenj 12:15, 8 October 2006 (PDT)


Hey, I noticed Bjork in your talk page ;) But it should probably be Björk? :) --ahoier 05:59, 25 October 2006 (PDT)

reverting articles?

Linkin_Park:1Stp_Klosr got vandalized/spammed by User: (CenturyTel Internet Holdings, Inc), is there a built-in "Revert" feature to revert to my previous edit? Or is the fix just to copy/paste and repost the lyrics in place of the spam. Sorry about the SOAD stuff. --ahoier 09:13, 4 November 2006 (PST)

alright, that answered my question. sounds simple enough. The rollback feature doesn't seem to be their for non-Admins, but the editting the previous post, and then re-posting it would work fine. --ahoier 11:27, 5 November 2006 (PST)

Radiohead - Let Down Reformatting

Ok. Here is the problem with the current Formatting of Let Down... Lets take the first two verses of Let Down:

Transport, motorways and tramlines
Starting and then stopping
Taking off and landing
The emptiest of feelings
Disappointed people, clinging on to bottles
And when it comes it's so, so, disappointing

The reasons for the current format are twofold: A misunderstanding of the complexity of Thom Yorke's lyrics and secondly that everywhere else on the web has it in this format. Thus whoever started this thread took the popular and wrong formatting and pasted it on this site.

First the complexity of the lyrics: This song is based in 4/4 time and the verses are based around a 8 measure progression which repeats. The beginning of the first cycle of 8 measures begins on the word Transport whereas the second cycle begins on the word Feelings which if we break it into two instead of one verse in the current format we get this:

Transport, motorways and tramlines
Starting and then stopping
Taking off and landing
The emptiest of

Disappointed people, clinging on to bottles
And when it comes it's so, so, disappointing

Now what is the reason for this odd splitting of a sentence between verses? That is due to what Thom Yorke is trying to achieve as a lyric writer. Instead of the standard way of writing a song where the lines of the song start on the first beat of the first measure through the 4th beat of the second measure, then starting the second line on the first beat of the 3rd measure, Thom after the word Transport begins the line in the SECOND measure which is really exciting if you think about it. But that means that the end of the line with the word tramlines in the sentence 'motorways and tramlines' spills out into the 3rd measure where normally is where the second line would begin.

So in the new reformatting. the first verse should go like this:

Transport, motorways and
tramlines starting and then
Stopping taking off and
Landing the emptiest of

Now if you notice the following words have the same syllabic rhythym which are emphasized: Transport, Tramlines, Stopping, Landing. Again the brilliance is he's still in the middle of a sentence when he holds it over to the next verse:

feelings. Disappointed
people, clinging on to
bottles And when it comes it's
so, so, disappointing

Here the emphasized words line up on the first beats of measure 1, 3, 5, 7 as a standard song would: Feelings, People, Bottles and So So. If you listen again to the song these are the words that are emphasized on the downbeats.

Now as to the current format, you can look this song up on google and find the same format on many sites:

But simply because everyone else has it in this format does not mean it is right. It's very likely that one person put it in this format not understanding the effect that Thom Yorke was going for, and everyone else just simply copied it. Thus the wrong format gets repeated over and over again.

Well I am trying to redo the format at least here in Lyriki so that people when they look at the lyrics really understand what Thom Yorke is doing. Lyrics should be formatted into verses and chorus and most songs are. In the current format, the two verses are smushed into one simply because whoever authored it did not understand that there are in fact two rather than one. I think If Lyriki really wants to be a repository of lyrics and really be an authority it should seek to set out the correct lyrics rather than continue to promulgate errors.


Just out of curiosity, why use HTML tables instead of wiki-tables? --MindlessXD 21:42, 28 January 2007 (PST)