Help talk:Adding New Songs

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I'd like to suggest a change from the naming convention of "Artist - Title" to just plain "Title"

Here are the reasons why:

  • Songs are often recorded by various artists over the years. So doing Artist - Title can be misleading
  • If the page was just the name of the Song then it should be easier to find using the Search function especially if the first item on this list is true

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The reason it's artist - title is specifically because of the reason you mention, with just title we'd end up with conflicts ;)

As well, just searching for the artist, or the song, does return a list of pages with that word in it. Try it :)

-Nanenj 12:28, 25 December 2005 (PST)

Yeah, we talked about the possibility of doing that, but decide that we'd run into too many conflicts. One of the major ones is that there are frequently multiple songs with the same name that are completely unrelated. one quick example: Both Disturbed and Prodigy have songs named "Breathe", and they're completely different songs.

Another problem is that even when a song is re-recorded by a new artist, sometimes the lyrics are changed slighly. An example of this can be seen in the cover of Metro (oringally by Berlin) that System of a Down did; the lyrics of the two are slightly different.

In the case of covers, it's probably best to just have a note on the page for whoever did the cover noting who did the original, with a link back to the original.

-Evelyn 12:26, 25 December 2005 (PST)

I suggest we move to KiwiLyrics's old naming scheme. KiwiLyrics is dead, so I'm sure they won't mind. They used the format "Artist/Album" and put all the lyrics from the CD on one page. However, if lyrics from different songs must be on separate pages, the format could be "Artist/Album/Title". This was a very effective method. -MindlessXD 15:36, 27 December 2005 (PST)

I'm not sure how that's much different then what we do have already. It seems that just uses a / instead of -. Is there any reason in particular that that's better?

-Nanenj 16:03, 27 December 2005 (PST)

It is better if a user can type "http://lyriki.com/Metallica/Master_of_Puppets" and get all the lyrics for that album. As of right now, it seems that that style of URLs is disabled. I don't know much about running a wiki, so I don't know how to turn it on, but if enabled, this style works very well. --MindlessXD 16:08, 27 December 2005 (PST)
Another advantage is that when " - " is a wiki title, it's link becomes "_-_" which is much more difficult to type than a slash. --MindlessXD 16:47, 27 December 2005 (PST)
the type of url you're describing has to be configured in conjunction with the apache2 server (if this wiki is running on apache2) details can be found short urls Bailey 17:27, 27 December 2005 (PST)
I'll have Evelyn look into this :) That does make a bit more sense, and it seems like that'd make one of my secondary goals more easily done. (Integrating third party tools with the wiki.) Thanks for the suggestion. -Nanenj 22:02, 27 December 2005 (PST)
Replying to myself, but, something important. I -think- I've reached a semi-compromise on organization, and on making the URLs slightly easier, and will allow easier random browsing overall of the wiki. I think I actually had the idea when Lyriki was first formed, but, then shit happened and we had a long time of absence and I'd forgotten (mainly cause we weren't very organized) what direction I was wanting to head. Anyways, I digress. Basically there's the category functionality. Mindless has done very well setting up most of that, the biggest plus to that functionality is that certain 'index' pages update automagically when you tag the pages properly. Also, to get rid of the _-_ problem, I believe if you look at the Audioslave:Out_of_Exile page, that's an idea I had way back when as that entry is one of Lyriki's first. That rids the _-_ thing, and makes contextual sense with how categories on wiki's work. Please let me know what you guys think on this. --Nanenj 20:34, 28 December 2005 (PST)

Signing Pages

Should users really sign artist pages, as the Help:Adding New Artists page implies? This seems very un-wiki-esque, if that makes any sense. --MindlessXD 18:55, 27 December 2005 (PST)

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In a way it does, but, at the same time. The reason for signing, is mainly habit. It's especially useful on 'talk' pages, and it's decently useful any time there's multiple edits, just to keep track of who is writing what. I also like that people are credited for their effort in initially adding something.

It's also a 'recommendation' ;) Which means do it if you like, don't if you don't. I personally like that ;)

-Nanenj 22:00, 27 December 2005 (PST)

If lyriki is to grow, I think we will eventually have to prohibit people from signing their contributions, as does Wikipedia. Mainly because the names/IPs appear in the history and once you have 10 contributions (corrections) on one page, that't 10 signatures, which is just annoying. But hey, I just got here :-D--Orgullomoore 02:36, 28 December 2005 (PST)
Meh... I had forgotten to sign my question. :P I completely agree with signing talk pages, though. --MindlessXD 15:11, 28 December 2005 (PST)
It's very useful on the talk pages, me thinks ;). On the actual pages though, it's more of a sign if you're the one making the initial contribution. If you're simply editing a small bit, or what not, signing might not be recommended. I think on the Komm Susser Todd page I did sign something I added, but, it'd of been more appropriate for the 'talk' page on that particular song. :P Still learning a bit :) --Nanenj 15:25, 28 December 2005 (PST)