Help talk:Adding New Albums

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I'd like to suggest that we move our "AlbumArt" naming style to one similar to our album naming scheme -- "AlbumArt:Artist:Album". Any objections? We wouldn't have to move all the art that's already been uploaded, since their titles don't generally affect the end user. --MindlessXD 15:16, 4 January 2006 (PST)

Definately makes more sense, not sure why I didn't think of it before. I've thought about the AlbumArt tag itself, but, it should probably remain as there may be other types of media in the future that Lyriki will support.
Looks like images are a bit screwed up :( ... colon's aren't allowed in image names. --MindlessXD 15:47, 4 January 2006 (PST)
Doh, maybe that's why I didn't suggest that :P can't remember if I tried it now or not, but that makes sense. It's a small thing, and as long as most filenames follow a consistent thing, I doubt it'll be much of a problem. --Nanenj 16:09, 4 January 2006 (PST)


What does everyone think of this style of album pages? --MindlessXD 19:04, 12 January 2006 (PST)

Somehow that looks familiar, ;). I think one of the very first attempts looked very similar to that. One of the album templates I like more is with the Artist link above, see Thrice:Identity Crisis (2001). Perhaps lining up 'Track list' looks pretty, but, I'm fairly sure track list is obvious ;). I'm not too sure of it myself, just so much of the text is huge, and only the name of the album is really important info. The words 'track list' being huge seems kinda silly ;) My brain missed a step in there. I meant to say perhaps I'd like a template that used what's currently default, (as per the thrice page) but with Tracklist lined up properly. --Nanenj 19:43, 12 January 2006 (PST)
Hmm? The current artist template includes "== Track List ==", but I suppose it doesn't really need to be there at all, as you said. --MindlessXD 20:22, 12 January 2006 (PST)
I removed "== Track List ==", and I agree it looks better. --MindlessXD 20:28, 12 January 2006 (PST)
Yar, I've neglected putting tracklist above... well, nearly every album page I've done recently ;) I think it might still need a little work (None of the variations are absolutely oh my gosh that's it! perfect.) :) The biggest thing with the album page is because it features the album art it can be made mildly attractive. I've pondered some kind of formatting for the tracks (like a tracklistbox or something, similar to how the userboxes on wikipedia are.), but, at the same time. Lyriki's main focus is having the information available. Presentation will constantly improve. --Nanenj 20:32, 12 January 2006 (PST)
After MediaWiki 1.6 is released, making a decent album template should be quite easy, however I don't know how CPU intensive such templates are -- I don't want to bog down the server. --MindlessXD 20:41, 12 January 2006 (PST)
Evelyn has more info on that, however, I'm thinking it's not exactly easy to bog down the hosting she's got. We can see though. --24.144.33.50 21:00, 12 January 2006 (PST)

General Editing Help

...should go here. For example,

Type this into your address bar: "http://lyriki.com/index.php?title=YourTitleHere". Where it says "YourTitleHere" put the name of the album you want to add, in this form:

doesn't really belong here but could be incorporated into the Help:Editing page. If the user does not know how to make a wiki page, that is where [s]he should go. --MindlessXD 18:40, 19 January 2006 (PST)

Then hit "go". When you're at the album's new page you simply click the "edit" tab and then create the page. For first time users and for most others who want to stay uniform, it is a good idea to use one of the recommended page formats.

...more general info. --MindlessXD 18:46, 19 January 2006 (PST)

various artist albums

Does anyone have a suggestion or even know of a rule concerning albums that have various artists? --Nash 13:43, 24 January 2006 (PST)

I can see a few ways for handling them. One would simply be Album Name (Year). The one rule that would apply globally to various artists would be no artist page, obviously. However, if we wanted to keep the naming of pages pretty standard, could use 'Various Artists' as the name of the 'artist', IE: Various Artists:Album Name (Year). I'm leaning towards designating an artist name like 'VA' or 'Various Artists' and using that as the artist name and using the previously set standard for naming albums. However, that might collide with some witty group that decides to use Various Artist or VA as their name. --Nanenj 16:15, 24 January 2006 (PST)
I just did a search at AMG and found an electronica group called Various Artists and two artists in a sense called VA, except one is V/A and the other is V.A. So, does that mean we should go with your first solution? --Nash 17:05, 24 January 2006 (PST)
Or we could go with (Various Artists):Album Name (Year) which should avoid confusion and keep to the standards. --MindlessXD 17:41, 24 January 2006 (PST)
I think Mindless's solution may be the best. As I was looking at the one added without an artist name present. I don't really like how that looks. As for the artist listed with the song, that's easy enough, because the artist is still the person that made the song. Link it like any other song by an artist. --Nanenj 22:49, 24 January 2006 (PST)

Removing unnecessary text in piping

When you have a wikilink that ends in a PIPE and nothing after that pipe... it automatically removes the namespace on that link.

So
[[ARTIST:THIRD SONG'S NAME|THIRD SONG'S NAME]]
and
[[ARTIST:THIRD SONG'S NAME|]]
produces the same output. except the second one is a bit easier.Bailey 09:41, 25 January 2006 (PST)

You bet that would be easier. And I've been doing a copy and paste after I've typed the song name in. So that's great that I know that now, but, just curious, what is a "namespace"? --Nash 10:21, 25 January 2006 (PST)
"namespace" is a programming concept which groups a whole bunch of related things together. When a wikipedia article has a colon(:) in its name the words to the left of the colon is the namespace that the article belongs to. The wiki uses the concept of namespaces to allow special things to be done for certain namespaces (an example is Template)and it also allows the system to handle requests for articles in a more efficient manner Bailey 11:41, 25 January 2006 (PST)
I was under the impression that only the predefined namespaces are true namespaces, and therefore "Metallica" is not the namespace for Metallica:Orion because it is not a predefined wiki namespace, but I might be wrong... wouldn't be the first time. :P --MindlessXD 14:32, 25 January 2006 (PST)
You could be right with regards to how mediawiki handles it on the backend. I haven't dug into it. but the effects are the same in the markup language. Bailey 15:25, 25 January 2006 (PST)

Year at the end of the Album?

I just realized the standard format calls for a year to be placed at the end of the album name. I have a couple of issues with this.

  • Is this really neccesarry? You have the Artist and the Album.. most artists don't release an identically named album
  • Shouldn't that be a category all by itself... as in release date? That would be much more interesting

I would like to propose moving the date to a category Bailey 18:51, 25 January 2006 (PST)

Without the year label, song titles would clash with album titles (for example Metallica:Master of Puppets and Metallica:Master of Puppets (1986)) --MindlessXD 19:11, 25 January 2006 (PST)
Missed that, however whats wrong with following a more standardized wiki approach of adding a qualifier though the parentheses ie [[Metallica:Master of Puppets (album)]] and adding that only when its needed? Bailey 19:30, 25 January 2006 (PST)
Having the year tag makes it easier to distinguish between album and song pages IMHO, especially when looking at a list of pages. --MindlessXD 19:52, 25 January 2006 (PST)
Hrm, the year was indeed added to avoid conflicts with songs that are titled the same as the album. I just chose that cause it seemed relevant information aside from tags that don't add any real information. Definately something to think about. I did make a 'Standards' post somewhere, which is meant for this kind of discussion, we're growing pretty fast and only a few things have been decided. Need to get input on what's right, what's wrong. Personal opinion, having (album) doesn't look pretty :P Silly I know. --Nanenj 21:26, 25 January 2006 (PST)