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This is a first stab, a stake in the sand. Feel free to disagree and update, but please, post your reasons when you make changes. --risser 06:40, 13 March 2006 (PST)

It's very complete and thorough, I'll give it that :). I don't see anything I disagree with, and much of it is what I thought was common sense. However, I'm quite sure not everyone's brain works the same way mine does. It seems to account for all of Mediawiki's little quirks and make sure things are sorted accurately. The only part I even question is the bit about if it's a band named for a primary membeer. (Jimi Hendrix Experience, Steve Miller Band, etc...) It seems a little weird to me to rearrange those names. However, it does make sense to sort them close to the artist their named for, so... whatever the majority thinks is best. --Nanenj 06:58, 13 March 2006 (PST)
I completely agree. But then you get things like Ben Folds and Ben Folds Five, or Captain Beefheart and Captain Beefheart and His Magic Band, or Les McCann, Les McCann Ltd, The Les McCann Trio, Les McCann and His Orchestra, etc.etc. I think in these instances it makes sense to group all these with or near the 'primary' artist. Also, when I go to file a CD, I always think of Steve Miller Band as "Steve Miller" anyway, completely overlooking the "Band" part, and thus, I'd never expect it under "S". Anyway, as I said, it's not perfect, but I think it's the most effective solution, though I'm open to something more useful. --risser 07:02, 13 March 2006 (PST)
Perhaps such names could be sorted under both letters?

commas and apostrophe's

I assume commas and apostrophes would follow the same example as A-Ha -> A Ha and blink-182 -> blink 182? So, would Counting Crows:Another Horsedreamer's Blues sortname be Another Horsedreamer s Blues ? --ahoier 13:15, 11 October 2006 (PDT)

You should chop them out, but at that point it hardly matters, so I usually don't. --MindlessXD 15:51, 11 October 2006 (PDT)

P.O.D., AFI, and other acronyms

OK, I (and maybe some others) are confused with the sorting/listing of bands who use acronyms. For ICP, Insane Clown Posse would be the "Sort Name" BUT, for CKY (Camp Kill Yourself?), the sortname is Cky; H.I.M. (His Infernal Majesty) is Him, R.E.M. is Rem (and they do not have an acronym;atleast not documented on wikipedia).

Where would artists such as AFI (A Fire Inside) and P.O.D. (Payable On Death) fit in?

This question is aimed at both page creation as well as sorting I guess.

And lastly, regarding the acronyms on this page, R.E.M. isn't actually an acronym as per this definition:

A word formed from the initial letters of a series of words. (eg, IEEE is an acronym for Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers).

. --ahoier 15:20, 22 November 2006 (PST)

I'd solve this by double sorting them. For example: AFI, add both
{{C:Artist|A|AFI}}
{{C:Artist|A|A Fire Inside}}

--MindlessXD 21:34, 23 November 2006 (PST)

That would be
{{C:Artist|A|AFI}}
{{C:Artist|F|Fire Inside}}

correct? Since A, An, The sorting says to drop the A? :) And as far as where track/artist/song pages should be created, any opinion on AFI vs. A.F.I. vs. A Fire Inside (I'd prefer AFI), P.O.D. vs. POD vs. Payable On Death (I'd prefer P.O.D. since that's how it's written on most albums), and other such acronyms/abbreviations/whatever-ya-wanna-call-em :P --ahoier 21:49, 23 November 2006 (PST)

Right, my mistake. :) Use whatever is most common for page titles and create redirects for the less common names. --MindlessXD 14:55, 24 November 2006 (PST)

track names that begin with numbers

I thought I remember reading somewhere, that tracks/artists and albums that begin with numbers (U2, 10 Years, etc...) should be sorted as {{C:Artist|0-9|10 Years}} ? Or would {{C:Artist|1|10 Years}} be the proper way to sort? --ahoier 07:45, 5 May 2007 (PDT)

Either works now. {{C:Artist|1|10 Years}} is less confusing for new users. --MindlessXD 16:25, 7 May 2007 (PDT)

Names that are only symbols

How should names that are entirely composed of symbols be treated? For example, Isis has a track on Oceanic where the title is officially "-". Should the symbol be used, or some substitution? I've seen "(Untitled)" used to replace tracks like these elsewhere. Is there a recommendation on this? Absurdlyobfuscated 18:35, 15 November 2009 (UTC)